Quirino Grandstand Hostage Taking Analysis - What Went Wrong

Monday, August 23, 2010

Shit. I haven't felt so angry at a live news feed in a long time. If I don't see heads rolling after this incident, people resigning and shit, I will completely lose hope at our police force's chance of ever improving. Here's a short rundown of the things that went wrong over the course of the hostage taking drama that took place at Quirino Grandstand.

1. Firearms were used to take out the wheels of the bus. Rule #1 in hostage takings - no unnecessary shots.

2. Too much media coverage. The hostage taker listened to the radio while inside the bus. Of COURSE HE KNEW WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN. Rule #2 in hostage takings: Media blackout.



3. Usage of hammers to breakdown the door. The door of a bus is designed to withstand 50Gs of instantaneous force or more. A hammer will do nothing to break it in one hit. There's an emergency lever under the bus that can be used to open the door. Nobody knew about it. Instead, they proceeded to hammer all sides of the fucking bus like it's a pinata.

4. Teargas concentrates can kill hostages and hostage takers alike. Tossing it in a zero ventilation environment is about as reckless as it gets.

5. Ununiformed officers ran too and from the scene, creating unnecessary chaos.

6. Flash photography from the dimwitted mediamen created confusion and unnecessary distractions

7. SWAT didnt even use hand signals. They were shouting for crying out loud.

8. There was no armored cover. A vios, really? WHAT CAN A TOYOTA DO AGAINST A RIFLE ROUND?

9. Zero crowd control. By the time the ordeal was over, reporters arrived at the bus even before the medics did, and never left. The medics had a hard time entering the area.

10. ITS A BUS. NOBODY KNEW HOW TO HANDLE A HOSTAGE TAKING INSIDE A BUS.

11. M16 rifles used for CQB. Anybody with a remote knowledge in urban close quarters should know better.

12. Flashbangs are used once, just before entry. Tossing loads of them into a crowed-filled bus will not kill the hostage taker.

13. Incompetence, sheer incompetence.

Today is a very sad day. I hope this becomes a wakeup call to authorities.

Update: Sorry if I sound too angry. I really am. I mean no offense to anybody here. I think the worst part of the whole ordeal is that there simply was no clear plan. The police looked as panicked as we were, making things all the worse. The cocksure statements of "ending it by today" earlier this morning was a foreboding sign, and one that I prayed was wrong. At the end of the day, nothing can be done to change what's already happened. Let's just hope this will be a cue to institute change inside and around our security forces.

127 comments:

Mai said...

You forgot the fact that the police provoked the hostage taker by forcibly taking his brother for questioning when the brother was both 1) innocent and 2) only "invited".

And all the while, they knew the hostage taker was watching the TV coverage of the crisis.

Only in the Philippines man. Only in the Philippines.

vidal said...

pinakauna, tanga din ung driver..sana nde nya na pinasakay in the first place..

Sean said...

@Vidal
Una, ang mga pulis, badge ang bayad sa mga PUV, Bus etc. Libre sakay, pulis e. 2nd, malay nung driver na sinibak yung pulis na naki-sakay? Inaannounce ba sa buong mundo na sinibak yun?

Maka-tanga ka naman sa kapwa mo Pinoy. Zzz.

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Louie said...

if that will happen in US... it will take only 30 mins to 1 hour and its over

Anonymous said...

to the blogger: SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FAGGOT! Who are you to question the authority? who are you to criticize everything? who are you to bark at someone who's doing they're job? who are you to criticize the teargas, weapons and everything? w...ho are you tell how many times should a flash bomb be tossed(e kung sa counter nga noon e nakakarami akon ng tapon ng flash bomb). who are you to question the car? what if by chance, the toyota vios saves a life. you don't have a fuckin right to say that fool! who are you to question the use of hammers? the operation was by force after the takeover of the ombudsman!

YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER! IT WAS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH! buti nalang may apat pang nabuhay! for your rule #2, screw you! even if there was no media at all, it would still be televised all over the world!

It would have been better if you did some further thinking before posting unnecessary shit over the web. IT WAS A CASE TO CASE BASIS!See More
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mang ed said...

to anon: whoa. may point rin yung blogger. teargas sa loob ng bus?

malungkot na araw to para sa ating lahat dahil pinakita lang natin sa buong mundo ang "kahandaan" ng ating police force sa mga ganitong pangyayari.

ang daming usi. masyadong blow-by-blow ang account ng media at saka ang tagal. nababawasan ang pagiging rational ng isang taong desperado sa bawat sandali na lumipas..

REDKINOKO said...

Think about what I just said guy who didn't bother leaving names. Media blackout is standard op procedure for these things. It's not an option - it's a must.

Anonymous said...

@ that rambling fag above:
"It would have been better if you did some further thinking before posting unnecessary shit over the web."

-practice what you preach dumbass.

blankPixels said...

I completely agree with everything you said.

And to the last person who left a comment (Anonymous): Puhlease.
Don't deny that our police weren't trained enough to handle this situation.
Don't you also deny that the media made everything worse. The CNN people even asked during their broadcast why the media are allowed to cover the hostage situation. The hostage taker has a radio and TV inside the bus. He can see what the police were doing outside the bus. He knows everything!

The CNN people were very careful with what they say and show on TV. If you didn't get to see it, you should. I watched GMA and ABS-CBN's coverage and they were like telling the hostage taker what exactly the police were and are planning on doing. Sheesh.

And if you watched what the police were doing, they were so reluctant and scared of their lives. I mean, c'mon. It's their job, it's their responsibility to protect us NO MATTER WHAT. They took an oath, offering their lives to serve and protect our countrymen.

There was no communication. There were no plans. There seems to be no one in charge of the whole situation. Tsk tsk.

All I'm praying now is that our police and SWAT would be given the right training to handle situations like this. We shouldn't be too comfortable. Just look at what happened today. Tsk.

Anonymous said...

Well kung sasabihin mong tama ang mga pulis at hindi mo sasabihin na may PAGKUKULANG sila sa ginawa nila ano na mangyayari sa pilipinas? Kung ikaw ung na hostage dun tpos pasabugan ka ng sunodsunod na teargas tpos sunod sunod na flashbang at kung may TV nman sa loob sa tingin mo hindi magagalit ung hostage taker at mag wala sa sinapit ng kanyang kapatid. Ikaw na rin ang nag sabi na "IT WAS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH!" kililos kaba nag bara bara? tsaka kuya we have freedom to say what we want. tsaka better if marealise ng pulis ang kanilang kamalian.

Anonymous said...

cge ano ung tamang gawin? kayo magagawa ba nyo un? wag kayo mag jjudge kung di nyo kayang gawin ung ginawa nila..

silver13 said...

@ also that rambling fag above:

Kamag anak ka siguro ng mga pulis/authority na involved. Tama lahat ng sinabi ni blogger. Utak dapat ang gamitin, hindi ang kung ano ang meron. Kung yung pera na kinurakot ng mga pulis at politiko ay pinambili din sana ng matino tinong gamit at ginamit sa pag fund ng training eh di iba sana ang kinalalabasan nito.

Stacy Lee said...

I get the blogger's point too. It makes sense. In any case, how does media coverage help alleviate the situation anyway. Does increasing the number of TV viewers increase as well the survival chance of the victims? I think not.

This is sad indeed. However, I think the more appropriate question to ask now is: What should WE do about this?

REDKINOKO said...

At the very least we should start cleaning up the ranks. There's just too much redtape in the forces and too few well trained individuals in control.

Anonymous said...

@ ANONYMOUS:

"who are you to question the authority? who are you to criticize everything? who are you to bark at someone who's doing they're job?"

Everyone has ALL the reasons to question and criticize the authority after what happened tonight you idiot.

innocent lives of people were taken! it could have been prevented if such precautions (as per blogger's post) was taken into consideration. it is THEIR job to prevent such tragedy to happen... that's what they're "suppose to be" trained for to do.

Anonymous said...

So bad!!! Both the local media and the authorities sucks!! They need more trainings and strategies.

Anonymous said...

S.W.A.T = Sorry We Are Not Trained.

moch said...

i times like these we ought to ask; "what would chuck norris do?"

bubon said...

FYI for the Anonymous who swears a lot: the PNP made the same mistakes done by Munich Police in Munich Olympics Massacre in 1970s. please watch Seconds from Disaster and learn... learn how primitive we are and how unsafe we are in the current PNP set up. would you be happy if you're one of those stuck in the bus?

Fox! said...

This is insane!! They don't have bars to isolate the site!

They used Tear Gas instead of flashbangs!!! the latter will disorient everyone inside and can easily disarm the suspect!

Or at least they could have used sharpshooters with thermal.

Our security force needs to be rearmed and trained X_X grrr!!! Though kudos to those who risked their lives trying to storm the bus.

Anonymous said...

why not forward your post to police officials, maybe they can explain to you why that happened.. don't just talk, act!!!

bubon said...

and... for heaven's sake, i'm paying for those people's salary and they are not doing their job well... where have all the taxes gone?

Anonymous said...

This is a good observation. Marami po talagang mali. Agree ako dito sa blog na ito. Una ang
Usisero wala talga crowd control, Media nagpadagdag ng heat. React kaagad sa statement ng driver na "Patay lahat", May tear gas wala naman gas masks yun mga swat team. Ni w...alang tactical lamps ang mga kapulisan, optics like night vision (meron naman tayo nito ah), use of robotics to check the position of the hostages and the hostage taker. Asan na ang mga ito kapag nag marcha sila sa harap ng Presidente?? Ano yan display? Basta nakaka bad trip.

REDKINOKO said...

The biggest irony here is that it all happened in Quirino Grandstand, the place where the army and PNP parade to show off their shit.

Aki said...

what happened is just so sad..=(
the authorities definitely need some retraining. The event is like a surprise check on the competence of our police force as well as for our media personnel, the should also know when to stop talking.

zebbie said...

@bubon, our taxes went to the tear gas that were recklessly thrown to the bus.

and to the anonymous who rants :

are we going to shut up after what happened? hell no.

Anonymous said...

PNP Chief Versoza I hope this struck you dead center. Nagmumukang kawawa mga pulis mo dahil imbes na impang training nila napupunta sa bulsa nyong mga corrupt generals. Inuuna mo pa magpabango sa IANSA kesa magpatraining ka ng mga pulis mo kaya ganyan nangyayari.

Di ko po nilalahat ng mga Heneral sa PNP pero alam nyo na kung sino kayo. Mas mabuti pa mga civvies na may training nalang pinapasok nyo kesa sa mga bugok na to. Tsk tsk kakahiya :(

**Noy, di man ako pabor sa yo nung elections pero please lang para sa ikabubuti ng bayan paki sibak na tong si kalbo sa serbisyo! PWE!**

HKgirl said...

Whoever compared this to the Munich Massacre...please don't. As you said that was in the 1970s...We're in 2010. We should know better!It is a sad day and no one wins today...let's pray for those who were killed, and hope that the government will do something about this embarrassment. Blogger you had some good points there and the whole situation was handled badly, period.

Ton B. said...

Ang masasabi ko lang, maling mali talaga yung full media coverage, lahat ng galaw sa labas kinuwento na... at ang lakas pa mang-alaska sa ginagawa ng mga pulis...dapat sa ganyang sitwasyon take consideration yung kahandaan ng hostage taker, mas handa ito sa iniisip natin, na may mga gamit ito para malaman ang mga pangyayari sa labas...

sa tingin ko naman ay ok lang imbitahan yung kapatid ni Mendoza. kung sumama lang yun ng matiwasay, at di na naglulupasay at kumuha lang ng simpatya para magmukhang masama talaga mga pulis... mdami naman tao - at alam na pulis ang kumuha sa knila, ano dapat ikabahala... mas lalong kahinahinala sya dun sa ginawa nya, dapat ay kunin ang celphone nun para malaman ang connection nun sa loob... di naman cya nagaganun kung sumama sya ng maayos.

nadadala lang ang marami sa atin para sisihin ng sshin ang mga pulis dahil sa mga nakaraang issues... pero di ganun kadali yung ginagawa nila, di naman sila diyos para basta basta na lang pumasok dun, may buhay din sila at tao din para masyado maliitin sa mga propesyon nila...

nakakalungkot lang talaga... sobra... galit din ako at nahihiya ng sobra, lalo na at nasa labas ako ngaun ng bansa nating minamahal.

napakahirap siguro nito malimutan... ipagdasal na lang natin sila at wag na lang magturuan...

ngaun, blacklisted na lahat ng papunta sa ating bansa mula sa China... alam naman natin siguro na di lang sila ang apektado dito, ngunit buong bayan ntin...

para dun sa ikinahihiya naman ang bansa natin... mas ikinahihiya ko kayo para ilaglag nyo bansa nyo.

walang may gusto ng mga nangyari...

Pagpalain pa tayo sa kabila nito...

HKgirl said...

"para dun sa ikinahihiya naman ang bansa natin... mas ikinahihiya ko kayo para ilaglag nyo bansa nyo"

In THIS situation, tell me what to be proud of? I'm proud of those who recognise our fault because that is the only time when people will something about it...I'm pro-Philippines and our new president had a lot of promise. But this tragedy...well, the whole world is watching. Let me know in this situation, how can we fly our flag..?!

Levi said...

I like how all the flamers are anonymous.

Anonymous said...

they decide to throw tear gas after 12 hours? imported pa yata galing sa HK yung isang teargas e...

Anonymous said...

ok na e, kasalanan ng kapatid ng hostage taker, isigaw ba naman na wag syang sumuko at dahil kinuha daw ang baril nya...syempre, ang kuya, nagwala tuloy, na confuse. Nasayang ang mahabang negosasyon.

Ton B. said...

@ madam HKgirl,

ang ibig ko naman sabihin dun, ok napuna na yung mali at pagkukulang sa mga dapat naging aksyon sa pangyayari, pero hindi na kailangan pa ikahiya ang buong bansa. di naman tayo magiging iba o gagaling kapag ginawa ito, di natin maiiwasan na dito pa din tayo galing... nakakahiya talaga sa buong mundo ang pangyayari... pero di ko para masyadon ibagsak ang bansa natin.. di ko din naman sinasabi na dapat pa din tayo magmalaki at taas noo.

ang buong pagkatao ko ay nakayuko na dahil dito, at nakikiluksa.

hihey said...

Gusto ko ung analysis mo, share ko tong post mo

Anonymous said...

isa lang itong patunay na napakababa ng pamantayan sa ating bansang pilipinas sa karamihan sa mga pinapasukang propesyon, lalo na ang pagpupulis...dami jan ang alam pag may sukbit na bakal sila na ang batas... iilan lang ang tunay na matino, dina mabilang ang mga kapalpakan na ginawa ng mga buwayang ito... at dina ko magtataka na madaragdagan at patuloy na dadami ang ganitong pangyayari... mahal ko ang pilipinas pero pasensya na, bulok na talaga ang buong sistema...

Maria said...

The blogger actually makes sense, and only put into words what the logical public have already thought. Despite the tone of the post, he wasn't even that emotional, only pissed and disgusted. Compared to Anonymous.

Ranting and spouting obscenities in a place of mature discussion doesn't help your case. It only makes people wonder why people like you exist. But that's what trolls are for, I guess.

Anonymous said...

tama ka jan... isang buong malaking bulok na sistema ang umiiral sa pinas... sistema na nananalaytay sa karamihan sa pilipino, pati ang media walang inisip kundi ang kumita... masabing nangunguna sa balita... mga bugok, kulang din ata sa pagsasanay, sa ngyari ngayon sila ang nanguna sa pagdala sa kapahamakan don sa mga naging biktima... nakita ko sa video ng lumabas sa secure area yong nakawhite(si tulfo ata) at orange na lalake, pinagkaguluhan ng media, pati police nakipag-agawan makakuha ng picture... mga palatandaan ng kawalang kasanayan at pagpapahalaga sa kapakanan ng nakararami lalo yung nasa bingit ng disgrasya... sa ABS at GMA purihin kayo mga inutil... wala kayong mga breeding...

lostinaction said...

With all due respect, I think that:

It's a good thing that media was able to cover this.

We deserve to know the truth. From that, we make our minds about the situation. We assess what is real and we fix the problem. Many of the things said this blogger said is true, sa totoo lang. But would even be able to comment about it if the media had not covered it begin with? :)

And another food for thought lang: how many of these incidents do you think PGMA covered up to avoid scaring foreign investors?

Wala lang.

lostinaction said...

May i add lang.

Though it's a good thing media covered this event, I'm not necessarily saying that the manner in which media covered it was appropriate.

Kabobohan din naman talaga na binobroadcast lahat ng gagawin ng mga police. Utang na loob, mayroon tayong tinatawag na PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION and in that, kasama ang pag withhold ng mga information pertaining to national security and general safety of the people.

Nasaan ung mga high ranking officials nito?

Mai said...

Excuse me lostinaction, but the whole point of media blackout is to ensure the safety of the hostages, especially when they know the hostage taker is watching the TV coverage of the crisis and knows their every movements.

"We deserve to know the truth" you say? But we already knew how crappy the system is in the first place.

You're totally missing the entire point why there should be media coverage.

Mai said...

@ lostinaction

^ I wrote the post before I read your addendum, so you may disregard my previous comment.

But yeah. Did anybody else pick up P-Noy's inaction concerning this crisis?

zebbie said...

thanks to the PNP and SWAT fiasco and yeah the media coverage as well. we are now breaking the bandwith of twitter and yahoo.

and 'tis is the time that we are challenged to wave our flag and swear that we are damn proud PINOYS (with chin up.)

watching the policemen dragging mendoza's brother for questioning is a perfect example how poor our due process is.

sira ulo na nga ang hostage taker. given na yun. matatake ko pa yun.

but for the PNP, i was more shocked. i never thought they have lucid intervals at times like this. tsk.

Anonymous said...

Galing ng post na to. la ako dyan sa pinas.. d ko alam lahat ng data.

Sigurado matutuklasan ang rason ng kapalpakan na to. Sigurado magkakasisihan. Pero wala ng maibabalik. nangyari na ang sana naiwasang trahedya.

Nothing else to do but to TAKE ACTION! let us rebuild our nation. simulan dapat yan sa LAHAT ng departamento ng gobyerno.

and dun sa media. BE RESPONSIBLE! alamin ang dapat ikilos sa bawat panahon.

zebbie said...

@mai, ditto to your last post.

re: media coverage disappointed me big time.

there are limitations right, like HOSTAGE TAKING for example?

the HT was even freakin calm from the time he took the bus under control until the time that he saw his brod and family on tv in tears fearing that they will be also killed.

i dunno, but that "blow by blow telecast" of mendoza's arrest was too absurd for me.

Anonymous said...

Read your comments and i agree with some and a little hesitant to comment with other things posted.
True, police have poor training and it never improved because i guess they think it's not worth investing in more money in skills training and salary. Media is actually an asset here but it was definitely stupid on their part that they were reporting the actions of the police outside. why in the world did the police arrest the brother? That was idiotic. Don't radios exist in the police force especially the SWAT? they should be more skilled and have more common sense for crying out loud. The worst thing they did is open firing on the bus full of hostages and no medics were around. 9 hours and that's what they came up with. they could've thought of things better instead it like the time when the little boy was shot by the SWAT team when he was taken hostage by a guy carrying an ice pick. SOP MUST CHANGE so it can become better and most importantly must think of lessening casualties rather than being the cause of more deaths. Gov't, try giving people better salaries too. these guys also put their lives at risk. I just hate how they power trip.

Ton B. said...

we truly deserve to know the truth... pero in this case, masyado ito maselan... mapapalabas pa naman yun kahit after maayos ang lahat...

naging worse ang lahat at natapos ang negosasyon nung pinakita ng media yung paghuli dun sa kapatid. at ang masama pa dun, ginatungan pa... at channel 2 -
"...bakit pilit na hinuhuli yung kapatid? baka magwala at bumawi yung hostage taker..." (not exact words) dun pa lang, sya na mismo nagbibigay ng idea sa suspect.

nakasobrang gulo lang sila sa ganitong sitwasyon, di makatrabaho pulis kasi mukhang mas madami pa sila dun kanina...

akong nasa tv na nanunuod eh kinakabahan, sila na nagulat sa sumabog ay nagtatawanan pa...mga lintik na tao yun...

in the part ng foreign mediamen, wala na tayo magagawa dun, pero locally, sana naging private muna... di naman siguro mapapanuod nun yung palabas sa bus televised in ther countries (unless may cable).

pero sana nga natake consideration yung mga ganun bagay na ngaun ay di na maibabalik... masyado kasi nagiging mapapael ang media ngaun.. wala na pinalalampas.

dun naman sa paghuli sa kapatid ni mendoza, sa tingin ko ok lang namn yun... nasbi ko na sa previous msg ko posted here... napaghinalaan sya, imbitahan lang sya para imbestighan, madami nakakita na pulis kumuha sa kanya, ano ikakatakot nya? kumuha lang sya ng simpatya...sabi pa "...wala ako tiwala sa mga pulis" na sya mismo, sarili nya ay isang pulis din...

nakakalungkot lang talaga at kahit gaano pa tayo mag-analisa, wala na tayo ni isang buhay na maibabalik sa mgfa nasawi... sabihin man natin na maging isang magandang aral ito sa bansa natin, sa awtoridad, di naman na siguro natin yun gugustuhin pa maulit.

Anonymous said...

pulis and media rocks!!!

nagalit tuloy ung hostage takr.

baduday said...

"cguro mga 2 minutes before mangyari ito ay napaguusapan nga nmin na posibleng magalit na itong si mendoza, katunayan mel, meron taung unconfirmed report knina na galit na galit na nga itong si mendoza nung napanood niya ang pag-aresto sa knyang kapatid, meron xang monitor mel sa loob ng bus kung kaya't napanood niya eto at meron xang tinatawagan isang kasamahan sa industriya sinabing galit na galit siya at merong siyang sasampolan na hostage" - raffy tima

baduday said...

alam pla nilang sa kanila nalalaman ng hostage taker yung ngyayari sa labas. alam nilang may tv sa loob ng bus. pero sumigi pren sila.

makapagyabang lang na na-cover nila yung pangyayari.

Bankai said...

Kung tinuloy lang yung maayos na negotiation ok sana kasi nakikipagnegotiate din sya ng maayos. kaso prinovoke ng mga police kaya di mo masisi na magwala talga xa.

w3w said...

tama!!!!!!!!!!!!
ang bagal ng aksyon na ginawa during the hostage taking it took 10 hours! w3w, i think mas i train pa sana ng government ang mga PULIS at SWAT nila para sa mga case na yan!!!

S.W.A.T = Sorry Wala Akong Training!!
(make sense)

ang 2nay na buhay di nadadaan 2lad ng COUNTER STRIKE!

dianne said...

hmm..may point si blogger..

pasabugan daw ba ng teargas ung bus eh pano kung dahil dun tsaka pa namatay ung ibang hostage?saklap..

tsaka dapat tlaga may media blackout..alam nga natin mga ngyayari eh alam din nung hostage taker!parang engeng din eh..tsk tsk naprovoke pa si mendoza dahil sa ginawa sa kapatid niya!they should have pampered him hanggang malinawan ng isip eh inirita lang nila..sus di na natuto..panibagong dagok na naman sa pinas toh..

EPIC DAY OF FAILURE PINAS..PANO KA BABANGON?

Anonymous said...

Media blackout lang sana, show it another time after the whole incident. NOT LIVE. Ganun kadali para sa mga hostage-takers ang paggawa ng krimen dahil alam nilang engots ang media. Alam ng media na kahit na mas makakatulong sa hostage-takers ang live media coverage, eh sige pa rin sila for popularity's sake :D

Guys, di naman mamamatay ang taumbayan kung di namin makita ang punto-por-puntong pangyayari. Alam kong matatalino rin kaming mga pilipino na alam naming mas makakatulong ang hindi pag-cover nito ng live.

Kung walang live media coverage eh di hindi sana nakita yung pagpasok ng sledgehammer sa loob ng bus at pagputol ng tali para mahila yung pinto ng bus :P Tsaka kung wala ring live media coverage, hindi ma-aagrabyado yung hostage-taker at hindi niya nakitang dinampot yung kapatid niya. Wala sanang namatay o nasaktan. Smooth sailing na sana eh.

The best part is...

"PAPALAPIT NA ANG SWAT SA BUS" on local national LIVE television :D Way to warn the hostage-taker! :D

Anonymous said...

sana mga snipers ang ginamit nung umpisa pa

Anonymous said...

di kc nanood yung mga police ng speed ni keanu reeves. sana alam nila mga practical na pamamaraan. anyway yan yung result ng tirang bahala na. ipagdasal na lang natin sila.

Anonymous said...

POLICE IN THE PHILIPPINES SUCKS BIG TIME! CORRUPT PA!

Anonymous said...

To the 9:46 PM comment, in short you should be the one to SHUT THE FUCK UP as you seem to to be talking with half a brain. What you said made no sense at all, unlike redkinoko's constructive comment.

Anonymous said...

siguro the best thing we can do is to pray na lang. kasi alang mangyayari kung magsisisihan pa. i salute to the manila police. hindi biro un. hindi to tulad lang ng training. totoo na to. anytime pede silang pagbabarilin mula sa loob ng bus. para silang mga ibong pedeng isaisahin sa labas ng bus. delikado din un. kung kayo kaya sa kalagayan nila... magagawa nyo kaya un????hinto na lang ung pagcritisismo... ala din kayong natutulong... madaming naisalbang buhay ang authorities. dun na lang magpasalamat tayo na meron ding mga survival. nanonood lang kayo sa news. ung mga authorities nandun sa area wherein delikado. so you all better shut up... nakakainis. di uunlad pilipinas sa sisihan nyo....

istambay sa luoban said...

+1 sa thread starter.
1. sana tinuloy na lang nila yung negotiations kasi cooperative naman yung hostage taker lalo na nung bandang una. pwede naman nilang bola-bolahin yung hostage taker for the sake of saving the hostages' lives.
2. since they decided to assault the bus, sana nga may media black out kahit man lang nung time ng assault kasi nawala yung "element of surprise".
3. parang kulang talaga sa crowd control patunay dyan yung mga tinamaan na mga usisero.

hindi madali maging pulis dahil haharapin mo ang panganib ng may baril, armor, flash bang, training, radyo etc. pero mas mahirap maging hostage kasi wala ka kahit ano...

just my opinion

Sean said...

Bias. You just cannot easily blame anyone. Hindi kasalanan ng mga pulis why it took them so long to open the doors of the Bus.And lalong walang kasalanan ang Media, they were there to cover news. And media always go in where he knew will be a human interest story.

Anonymous said...

rolando mendoza has no intention to hurt his hostages, he just needs attention, but hindi sya pinagbigyan na maprovidan ng MEDIA! takot mga pulis mabulgar baho nila! that's why...tapos ang ligalig ng mga pulis! kung ano ano ginagawa na di naman dapat! pabida lang!

also kay anonymous na may negative reaction, bka naman isa ka sa mga pulis na balahura...d you hear yourself? nonsense ka..you need to go back to grade 1 ok? kasi wala ka common sense

MARAMING LOOP HOLE sa mga ginawa ng pulis, nagmamagaling at nagpapabida lang..kakahuya talaga kayo! sira ang turismo sa bansa!

NeoPlus said...

Sean, I'm sure the media was also there to give a blow-by-blow report of the police's movements to the hostage taker.

Wala naman mamamatay sa mga manonood kung di nila makita kung ano ang nangyayari sa panghohostage. Di naman kailangan makita yun live. Pede naman pagkatapos mailigtas ang mga hostage saka na ipakita ang footage.

Sean, pakigamit lang kukote mo.

istambay sa luoban said...

wala po akong military or police background pero naisip ko lang pwede rin na pinatay na lang lahat ng ilaw (spotlights) para madilim talaga bago nag assault para di rin ma-cover ng media. malalaman ng hostage taker na may assault na parating pero di niya alam kung saan manggagaling at paano ito gagawin. tapos pumasok na lang yung mga swat na may night vision goggles tapos radiocom lang. pwede rin total radio silence basta may plantsadong assault plan. tapos suppressed na cqb weapons lang para malaman kung friendly ang nagpapaputok. malamang kakaiba ang naging outcome....

naisip ko lang

Anonymous said...

e2 un e, ung mga pulis litong lito na nge, tapos full media coverage pa..

Mamili naman kayo ng binabalita, pagalingang lang kayo ng pagalingan at paunahan ng scoop, wala nang pinipiling sitwasyon. Pede nyo naman pakita ung coverage nyo after na.

Tama ba naman na iannounce na "PAPALAPIT NA ANG SWAT SA BUS", kakaloka...

Sana na lang hindi na maulit.

I pray for the soul of those who died. And also for their family for them to recover to this very traumatic experience.

Anonymous said...

para sa lahat... madami tayong pedeng sisihin. pedeng ang media, authorities or ung family ng hostage taker, pero isa lang ang taong pede talagang sisihin, kahit sang anggulo mo tingnan. illegal at masama ung ginawa ni mendoza. kung hindi nya ginawa un. walang mangyayaring ganito. lahat tayo may opinion. madaling magsalita. pero napakahirap gawin. specially dun sa mga taong andun sa area. lalo na ang mga pulis. actually nakakapanghinayang lang ang buhay na nasayang. pero sana wag tayong manghusga. kasi wala naman tayong ginawa di ba? nanonood lang tayo sa tv. magpasalamat na lang tayong lahat na hindi tayo ung saktong andun sa bus. or ung mga mahal sa buhay natin ang nandun. kaw kaya kapag may pulis or hostage kang kamaganak dun? anong mafefeel nyo? or kaw ung parents ng hostage taker? what do you feel? we dont know what those people are feeling right now. di tayo nakakatulong. maybe its better if we pray na lang. specially for those soul na nawala na lang ng walang kabuhulahan. peace to all!!!

REDKINOKO said...

Criminals will always exist. They're the unpredictable factor in the equation. The police force, the media, and everybody in general, if disciplined should serve as the constants that we can control - and should have been for this case. Kahit kasalanan ni Mendoza yan, people could have reacted better. The police couldn't open the bus because they never bothered to ask people from the MMDA, fuck, people from the buslines who actually knew how to open these busdoors in cases of emergency.

Rox said...

yong hostage taker, di basta2x, si Rolando Mendoza ay dating police officer tapos Captain pa. hindi xa PIPITSUGING HOSTAGE TAKER. undeniably a BRILLIANT HOSTAGE TAKER. Magkamatayan na ang lahat, wag nyo idamay ang pamilya ko!

Anonymous said...

"Naniniwala akong makakabangon pa ang PILIPINAS"

"Kung san ka nadapa dun ka rin babangon"

Please the Stop the "Crab Mentality".
Aasenso pa tau... "Magtiwala kau"

Hindi lahat ng mga pinaplano, "successful". At least may plano, hindi ung walang pakialam sa mundo.

May pakialam nga pero puro mali lng ung nakikita..

"Look at the bright side" guys...

Believe, Have Faith, Act.

girlie said...

one of the best examples of incompetence. it is not my place to lay blame on anyone. all i see from watching the coverage is pure and simple incompetence. it could have been resolved much earlier and a disaster could have been averted.

Anonymous said...

dun sa blogger who swears a lot. siya ang pinaka bobong tao na nakilala ko. stupid na moronic pa:)

the yawner said...

Kasi naman, puro na lang paghihiganti at pagsasawalang bahala sa batas umiikot ang mga istorya ng action movies natin.

Minsan nga gawa naman sila ng pelikula na may police procedural, yung hindi lang puro sa baril nabibigyan ng solusyon ang problema.

jazzmann30 said...

I agree with this post. There were a lot of procedures that were neglected in this kind of situations.

I mean the police always show how to handle a hostage taking scenario during presentations. So that basically means they were trained to do it. But when it comes to real world applications they suddenly can't remember how to proceed? Panic? Are those procedures just for show? Yes teargas affects the criminal, but you also put the life of the hostages in danger. Two snipers, positioned near each other? Who covered the front of the bus? The other side?

Well, to the media, I guess they've really taken the phrase "Freedom of Speech" to a whole new level. Not even thinking about the lives at stake. If they are ask to suppress something they immediately reacts that this country suppresses "Freedom of Speech".

From the looks of it the Philippines has no more control over the media and it looks like they are more powerful than the Authorities. CNN knows how delicate the situation is, but what about the local media in the country? Do they know it?

But that is just a personal opinion and an observation.

This is really a sad day for our country. I hope that we can recover from this because this event really gave a huge blow in our international presence for tourism.

I pray for the lives of those hostages and hope that someday the scar that were given to them recovers. For the soul of the people killed, may they find peace. I will pray for them.

seasoned_rookie said...

"istambay sa luoban said...
wala po akong military or police background pero naisip ko lang pwede rin na pinatay na lang lahat ng ilaw (spotlights) para madilim talaga bago nag assault para di rin ma-cover ng media. malalaman ng hostage taker na may assault na parating pero di niya alam kung saan manggagaling at paano ito gagawin. tapos pumasok na lang yung mga swat na may night vision goggles tapos radiocom lang. pwede rin total radio silence basta may plantsadong assault plan. tapos suppressed na cqb weapons lang para malaman kung friendly ang nagpapaputok. malamang kakaiba ang naging outcome...."

This would have been. Actually, this should actually be how the situation was handled when it started going downwards. But the question persists: why didn't they think of this? We might never know. But on international media it came out as the Philippine Police force not being competent enough to properly handle the situation.

"Sean said...
Bias. You just cannot easily blame anyone. Hindi kasalanan ng mga pulis why it took them so long to open the doors of the Bus.And lalong walang kasalanan ang Media, they were there to cover news. And media always go in where he knew will be a human interest story."

With proper training, or at least some knowledge thereof, one can assert that the police SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE to properly breach the bus. In these situations, the SOP should have been simultaneous point-entry, which the local police surely have taken time to do. One thing that made this hard for the police is because they bombarded the inside of the vehicle with teargas, which also made it hard for them to enter the bus in the first place.

And, if you are in the industry, or at least studying it, you would know that in crisis situations like these, the necessary step for the media to do is to cover the story BUT NOT AIR IT UNTIL IT IS OVER. They can air it later, and just broadcast updates that will not upset the police force's element of surprise. That's what CNN did. Check it. They even questioned the local media, because this is the convention for media coverage.

seasoned_rookie said...

"Anonymous said...
to the blogger: SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FAGGOT! Who are you to question the authority? who are you to criticize everything? who are you to bark at someone who's doing they're job? who are you to criticize the teargas, weapons and everything? who are you tell how many times should a flash bomb be tossed(e kung sa counter nga noon e nakakarami akon ng tapon ng flash bomb). who are you to question the car? what if by chance, the toyota vios saves a life. you don't have a fuckin right to say that fool! who are you to question the use of hammers? the operation was by force after the takeover of the ombudsman!

YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER! IT WAS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH! buti nalang may apat pang nabuhay! for your rule #2, screw you! even if there was no media at all, it would still be televised all over the world!

It would have been better if you did some further thinking before posting unnecessary shit over the web. IT WAS A CASE TO CASE BASIS!"

Anonymous, first of all. If you want to share a piece of your mind, and if you are prepared to flame, make sure you are also ready to be flamed. What you did is the doing of a coward. You drop shit on people's heads and then hide and hole up like a scared sorry ass. I'm just saying.

Next, evidently these men are not doing their job properly. Fine, they risk life and limb and it's understandable that they hold back, but this is what they signed up for--they should be prepared to take the risks. This is what they're trained for.

Now, this is the most dumbass comment I've seen in the thread.

>>"who are you tell how many times should a flash bomb be tossed(e kung sa counter nga noon e nakakarami akon ng tapon ng flash bomb)"<<

I love how you don't realize that the hostage situation was not a freakin' game! We don't care if you toss hundreds of flashbang grenades in a *largely unrealistic and even desensitizing* game! Flashbangs are used just as how they are called--throw it in, flash and bang the suspect blind and deaf, and then storm him while he is disoriented. Geez. If you're gonna base your comments in a game, at least make it a slightly more realistic one. That doesn't take you away from being a lame jackass, but at least you get a point for choosing a good game.

As with the cover car, good. At least you have some sense in you. But everybody knows about that car.

And now you say that it was "A matter of life and death". Which part? The hostage-taking? Yes it is! But guess what--every hostage situation is, so everybody KNOWS BETTER. Don't demand someone to know better if you yourself don't. It will of course be televised all over the globe, but at least it wouldn't have made the situation swell more had the media done a news blackout (or at least a selective news broadcast).

seasoned_rookie said...

"Anonymous said...
to the blogger: SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FAGGOT! Who are you to question the authority? who are you to criticize everything? who are you to bark at someone who's doing they're job? who are you to criticize the teargas, weapons and everything? who are you tell how many times should a flash bomb be tossed(e kung sa counter nga noon e nakakarami akon ng tapon ng flash bomb). who are you to question the car? what if by chance, the toyota vios saves a life. you don't have a fuckin right to say that fool! who are you to question the use of hammers? the operation was by force after the takeover of the ombudsman!

YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER! IT WAS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH! buti nalang may apat pang nabuhay! for your rule #2, screw you! even if there was no media at all, it would still be televised all over the world!

It would have been better if you did some further thinking before posting unnecessary shit over the web. IT WAS A CASE TO CASE BASIS!"

Anonymous, first of all. If you want to share a piece of your mind, and if you are prepared to flame, make sure you are also ready to be flamed. What you did is the doing of a coward. You drop shit on people's heads and then hide and hole up like a scared sorry ass. I'm just saying.

Next, evidently these men are not doing their job properly. Fine, they risk life and limb and it's understandable that they hold back, but this is what they signed up for--they should be prepared to take the risks. This is what they're trained for.

Now, this is the most dumbass comment I've seen in the thread.

>>"who are you tell how many times should a flash bomb be tossed(e kung sa counter nga noon e nakakarami akon ng tapon ng flash bomb)"<<

I love how you don't realize that the hostage situation was not a freakin' game! We don't care if you toss hundreds of flashbang grenades in a *largely unrealistic and even desensitizing* game! Flashbangs are used just as how they are called--throw it in, flash and bang the suspect blind and deaf, and then storm him while he is disoriented. Geez. If you're gonna base your comments in a game, at least make it a slightly more realistic one. That doesn't take you away from being a lame jackass, but at least you get a point for choosing a good game.

As with the cover car, good. At least you have some sense in you. But everybody knows about that car.

And now you say that it was "A matter of life and death". Which part? The hostage-taking? Yes it is! But guess what--every hostage situation is, so everybody KNOWS BETTER. Don't demand someone to know better if you yourself don't. It will of course be televised all over the globe, but at least it wouldn't have made the situation swell more had the media done a news blackout (or at least a selective news broadcast).

seasoned_rookie said...

and to Anonymous, first of all. If you want to share a piece of your mind, and if you are prepared to flame, make sure you are also ready to be flamed. What you did is the doing of a coward. You drop shit on people's heads and then hide and hole up like a scared sorry ass. I'm just saying.

Next, evidently these men are not doing their job properly. Fine, they risk life and limb and it's understandable that they hold back, but this is what they signed up for--they should be prepared to take the risks. This is what they're trained for.

Now, this is the most dumbass comment I've seen in the thread.

>>"who are you tell how many times should a flash bomb be tossed(e kung sa counter nga noon e nakakarami akon ng tapon ng flash bomb)"<<

I love how you don't realize that the hostage situation was not a freakin' game! We don't care if you toss hundreds of flashbang grenades in a *largely unrealistic and even desensitizing* game! Flashbangs are used just as how they are called--throw it in, flash and bang the suspect blind and deaf, and then storm him while he is disoriented. Geez. If you're gonna base your comments in a game, at least make it a slightly more realistic one. That doesn't take you away from being a lame jackass, but at least you get a point for choosing a good game.

As with the cover car, good. At least you have some sense in you. But everybody knows about that car.

And now you say that it was "A matter of life and death". Which part? The hostage-taking? Yes it is! But guess what--every hostage situation is, so everybody KNOWS BETTER. Don't demand someone to know better if you yourself don't. It will of course be televised all over the globe, but at least it wouldn't have made the situation swell more had the media done a news blackout (or at least a selective news broadcast).

REDKINOKO said...

Everybody's been ranting about media killings. What about when media's killing?

Anonymous said...

"Sean said...
Bias. You just cannot easily blame anyone. Hindi kasalanan ng mga pulis why it took them so long to open the doors of the Bus.And lalong walang kasalanan ang Media, they were there to cover news. And media always go in where he knew will be a human interest story."

Pakigamit ng utak mo pre, kung may utak ka man. kung meron pakilinis mukhang kinakalawang na. Kasalanan ng media at pulis ang nangyari

Anonymous said...

To all of you, this is not the time to rant out on who's to blame. We all learned our mistakes. At the end of it all, it's not just the SWAT, the policemen, nor the media who's taking the hit for what happened, It's the whole country. The problem with us Filipinos is that we focus on pointing fingers rather than formulating a solution to the problem. Let's just pray that this will not happen again. And puh-lease, stop barking on each other, that will not help.

the yawner said...

Let's see if the local media will own up. Or have they become too occupied with their own image and perceived authority?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous of 1:34 PM said:

"We all learned our mistakes."

Apparently the police didn't. They didn't even learn from the case of Ted Failon where heads rolled after forcibly taking into custody people whose guilt are not properly established. Not to mention that the police apparently forgot the most basic rule of hostage crisis management, which is putting the lives of the hostages first. I wonder whose brilliant idea was it to manhandle the hostage taker's brother, resulting in deaths.

And I don't call of this "blaming". Rather, this is an enumeration of what went wrong--because, by God, if we don't know and acknowledge what went wrong and who are the ones accountable for last night's blunder, we will NEVER learn.

I gotta love how people make it a habit of making excuses for people who are responsible for the bloodshed. But more than pointing fingers, we need people who will take accountability of what took place last night. I'm not seeing anyone step up to the plate.

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Anonymous said...

Sana naman tama na ang pangyayaring 'to para matutunan ng mga pulis na sumunod sa mga SOP lalo na sa isang hostage crisis na may mga dayuhan na madadamay..O lalo na kung Pilipino pa..pare-pareho lang namang mga tao involved eh.Kahit sabihin mo pa na turismo ng Pilipinas ang nakasalalay. Kahit sino pa ung nasa loob wala dapat magbago sa standard procedures. Kaya lang naman naging sobrang sensational kasi foreigners ung hostages. Pero hinding-hindi ko mapapatawad ang pambabalewala ng mga Media Networks sa sitwasyon kahapon! Kung hindi lang nila naisip na magpataasan ng rating ang magmukhang BAYANI dahil nandoon sila at nakabingit sa kamatayan, hindi naging sobrang lala ng sitwasyon na kailangan pang malaman ni Mendoza ultimo "paghinga" ng mga pulis na nagresponde doon.

At kung sana hindi inupuan ang kaso ni Mendoza hindi na siya dapat nang-hostage pa para lang magpapansin sa OMBUDSMAN! Kung maayos lang sana ang hustisya hindi na dapat umabot ito sa kamatayan ng kahit sino man!

Bakit ba kung sino pa(PULIS AT MEDIA) ang mga dapat asahan sa mga ganitong pagkakataon, sila pa ang sumisira sa mga sayang na pagkakataon!

PILIPINAS! GISING NA! (kailangan pang may namamatay bago matauhan tayong mga PILIPINO! anak ng...tsk!)

Anonymous said...

there should be a news blackout during the incident... that's basic di ba?! Sometimes sticking to the basic does help...

Anonymous said...

They should have shot that crazy asshole mendoza hours before when they had a chance. There was a clear shot when he was at the door of the bus.

Any armed person who puts hostage innocent people is a crazy dumbass and must be killed once the opportunity arises. Misplaced symphaty.

Naawa sa hostage taker at sa pamilya pero di naawa sa mga victims. i say shit.

Anonymous said...

MY OPINION ON THIS:

*some bad points:
1.) as mentioned before, the policemen handled the negotiation riskily... by provoking the hostage taker in substituting such unlawful act.
2.) prior to life, yes, we all have lives to protect for our own. BUT, the policemen had taken an oath to serve their country by preserving the lives of others. the chinese nationals who were taken as hostages were not from our country but were tourists, and as tourists, they do have the right to be protected as well. as seen on the news, our policemen has showed hindrance upon entering the bus. why? let's consider the fact that they're lacking more armors & other gadgets to protect themselves with, what happened to the taxes our countrymen has been paying for? also, upon taking an oath, one should be 100% ready & willing for it.
3.) the media coverage. yes, there should be "media blackout" but for others who intend to know about the situation, the media should be very careful in delivering which data to fill up the news.

we have learned a lot of things from what happened. now, our country is facing a huge embarrassment. it showed that the policemen cannot be fully trusted with our lives at stake... furthermore, they prioritize their own lives more than their job. in the first place, why did they join the reinforcement?? loads of criticisms were drawn to this disappointing incident. this is how they handled the situation... with a bloody ending.

but, it's not the end. we still have time to CHANGE... rekindle the ways how this incident has been handled... let's have the spirit to promote our country has learned from its experience and will never do the same thing again. and i think, we should start with the people involved.

Anonymous said...

I was not really able to watch the controversial live media coverage of the recent hostage-taking, because I am currently outside the Philippines. Though, I do agree that the media lacked the prudence of televising the said event. Given that the mediamen knew the hostage-taker was watching television from inside the bus, so he could see everything that was going on outside, it was only wise that they stopped airing it live, yet they did otherwise. Moreover, the policemen or SWAT really lacked tactic and plan. What else is there to say? I am really disappointed about what had happened. Though, this should make way to improve the quality of the Philippines' security system- provide thorough training, give high-tech equipments, etc.

Anonymous said...

zhyion-
rule #1. . never say no to a hostage taker....
tama ung blogger. .at ung mga kumokontra naman thats fine. . this is free country and we can say whatevr we want, just make sure na kaya nung itaya ang mga bayag nu sa mga sasabihin nyo. . and all i can say is our system was the real murderer of this drama. . at first hand hindi mang yayari 2 kung maayos ang palakad ng ating mga agency. .what if mendoza is really not guilty of those cases?!?! a man that was so dedicated ang devoted to his job. .a man that gave his life for duty. . then suddenly masisibak sa trabaho. .his desperations brought him to this tragedy..what if wla syang kasalanan?the injustice of ombudsman is the main reason kung bkt ito nangyari. . this is just my opinion. . everybody is free to argue with this....

seasoned_rookie said...

"And I don't call of this "blaming". Rather, this is an enumeration of what went wrong--because, by God, if we don't know and acknowledge what went wrong and who are the ones accountable for last night's blunder, we will NEVER learn.

I gotta love how people make it a habit of making excuses for people who are responsible for the bloodshed. But more than pointing fingers, we need people who will take accountability of what took place last night. I'm not seeing anyone step up to the plate."


Tama 'to. Upon studying about media one would find out that the Media are supposed to be the "watchdog" of the government, including, of course, the security force employed by the same. Now, we people in turn are given the responsibility of being the media and the government's watchdogs. Criticizing is upon us, lalo na with the recent boom in blogging, we are even more expected to be critical of our society and that's what we are doing here. We are not pointing fingers--that's what the people directly involved in the incident do.

And step up, they should.


Anonymous said...
They should have shot that crazy asshole mendoza hours before when they had a chance. There was a clear shot when he was at the door of the bus.

Any armed person who puts hostage innocent people is a crazy dumbass and must be killed once the opportunity arises. Misplaced symphaty.

Naawa sa hostage taker at sa pamilya pero di naawa sa mga victims. i say shit.


three words and google this up, Sir/Ma'am: RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. It wasn't put in the law enforcement's charter for nothing. Ethics, especially human rights, is the priority in the law enforcement branch of any lawful country in the world.

Anonymous said...

Ethics?Rules of engagement?Human Rights? I did not bother to google em up cause however i looked it up and research it in the internet, those dead hostages courtesy of Mr. mendoza will no longer be able to understand them.......

Anonymous said...

kitang kita naman talaga na walang malay ang mga pulis sa mga ganitong sitwasyon. the worst ia they dont plan as to what moves they are doing.

Anonymous said...

Mendoza succeeded in showing the whole world how incompetent our police force and how unjust our justice system is. Being a police officer himself, he knew from the start that taking hostage a busload of people wouldn't end well. So maybe he wanted to expose the incompetence of the police force to the whole world.

As for the media, they're really something else. Wala akong masabi. Payabangangan and pataasan lang ng ratings ang goal nila.

bTon said...

Rules of engagement, negotiation... meron yun nung una, pero nasira... please stop blaming the authorities na walang kwenta yung negotiation na ginagawa nila, may napawalan nung mga unang oras... nagtatagal yun dahil dun at nakakausap din ng maayos...

"tinira na dapat sya nung may oras pa!"

mali yun, maling mali... pag ginawa yun - kanino na naman sisi, sa pulis? sa mga pangyayari ngaun, kahit anong gawin ng pulis, either way, sa knila sisi...

nasira lang naman yung negotiation na yun dahil sa MEDIA... sila ang nagprovoke at di kapulisan. kung di nila yun pinakita yung pag huli sa kapatid nya at ginatungan pa para magkaganun... gayung alam naman nila na may tv sa loob ng bus.

"yung kapatid hinuli, wala naman muwang..."

di un totoo, may karapatan ang kapulisan. nahulihan sya ng baril ng di naka-uniporme.

meron din talaga at madami din kakulangan sa kapulisan. pero ang nagsimula ng lahat....

MEDIA!!!

kapag pinigil mo ang media, anong sasabihin nila, wala ng freedom of speech? at siguradong ididiin ka ng media na ito...gaya ng pagdiin nila sa mga pulis natin.

grabe ang walang control sa pinas.
mas gugustuhin ko pa na martial law... ang may mga ayaw lang naman nito, yung wala talgang disiplina at ayaw magdisiplina...

Anonymous said...

@sean
duh PUV ba ang tourist bus.....public? talaga lang ha

angelou said...

ee magagaling din pala kayo ee.! bat kaya hindi kayo nagpunta dun tska nyo ginawa mga pinuputak nyo! magaling lang kayo magsasabi ng kung anu anu kasi hindi kayo ang nandun! alam nyo pala tama ee, sana nanguna kayo nung araw na yun para itama mga nakikita nyong mali!! fuck! ang sasama nyo!

Mai said...

Hi Angelou!

Your comment is well-received. Now please go and re-read the blogpost 50 times so you could understand its message and why it had to be written in the first place. Thank you.

anonymous kanina said...

@Angelou

"kung pupunta kami.... papakinggan ba kami?? malamang, sasabihin nila na civilian kami at wala kaming karapatan makialam dahil PNP & SWAT ang may hawak ng sitwasyon."

hehehe, no bad feelings.... freedom to speak here =)

Anonymous said...

Sa akin lang ha..? Ung gagong kapatid... Wala daw sya kasalanan di ba..? Pinapasama na nga ni Ted Failon sa media para ok na... Humiga, nagwala, nakisama ang mga kamag anak... Kung ako ung hostage taker magwawala rin ako eh...

Sya ang apoy na nagdagdag sa apoy...

Tourist bus yun... Malamang may TV sa loob.. Patay na ang plano in the first place... Hayy....

abu jabu said...

@angelou

Its called command responsibility and accoutability.. di nga kami mas magaling sa mga pulis na yun pag execute ng assault na yun but the SWAT and the police are being paid hard earned tax money from the people to prepare for and to do this kind of job.. And when we pay someone good money to do a job, we expect it done well right?

Di ka nga mas magaling sa doctor, but does it negate your right to criticize the quality of his job? Sige nga, kung mag pa opera ka at accidentally nilang ma paralyze ka dahil sa incompetence tingnan natin kung ganyan pa rin kalakas ang 'righteous indignation' mo...

What if your family were in the bus? Would you be as forgiving after seeing their blunders? Would you be as goody two shoes as now kung buhay ang binuwis ng kakulangan ng pulis??

Competence and accountability are foundations of a progressive society.. Tangalin mo tong dalawang principles na indirectly mong kinokontra and ewan ko lang kung gugustuhin mo pang tumira sa bansa mong ginawa...

We all have a job to do and we are expected to be good at it especially when lives are at stake.. Take out the outrage and criticisms, condone incompetence and ewan ko lang kung merong papupuntahan yang mga pinagsasasabi mong goody goody..

Without accountability, there can be no change.. Anong babaguhin mo kung walang nagkamali?? Ang hirap sayo nagpapaka righteous ka wala naman papupuntahan mga sinasabi mo..

We have the right to criticize.. Why? Because its our tax money that's paying these guys wages.. Its our country that's affected and it our future as a nation that's at stake..

anonymous kanina said...

@abu jabu

well said.
i second the motion =)

we all have our profession & we are expected to give our best... because we all know, that giving our best would make us better persons. UNLESS, they don't give a damn concern about others' lives. we're talking of lives here... i believe that they have taken their oath to preserve the lives of those in DANGER. that's why, when we're in danger... whom do we seek? THE POLICE. so they are expected to give the best protection they could possibly offer.

Anonymous said...

how shameful for my part. pinoy as USISERO/TSISMOSO. pinoy as UNTRAINED. pinoy as WEAK. everything..... ouch... how it hurts me a lot.. sad to admit but it's true.. and worst, ang dming bulok na bus sa may taft avenue, ung tourist bus pa ung nbiktima, expect na wla ng tourist here to come lalo pa sa china/HK na matataas ang pride s srili

Anonymous said...

officials should know what their job is. ung hnd cla mapupuna ng tao instead they will be praised....... hnd nmn sa pagmamagaling pero sa officials tau sumasandal and alam nila ang duty nila. hnd maliit na pagkakamali ung ngwa nila because life of visitors are taken risk in here. visitors that should be treated specially........ how sad. PNoy, hope to train these poor(sorry for a bad word) "heros" very-very well

Anonymous said...

media doesn't help a lot, instead they caused *or i must say they helped the hostage-taker to have a hint on what is happening outside the scene. the coverage is too much. how bad...... they should just have some lapses and just record on what will happen soon instead of covering the whole hostage drama.

bTon said...

pause muna...

a letter from one of the survivors in the hostage drama yesterday...

link:

http://cvill14.tumblr.com/post/1002640741/postcripts-to-a-bloodbath

I just couldn't imagine how he just slashed the neck of the lady and just shoot in the head the guy who could just fightback with his fist.

i just don't know if this was really true, as media confirms that there is no survivor named Bang Lu Min (noted at the letter)

nakakaawa na lang talaga sila...

RK CariƱo said...

I just wonder now what's the media's stand to this (their irresponsible coverage), especially those who covered and sensationalized the whole hostage scene. ABS, GMA, speak now?

Anonymous said...

ang masasabi ko lang ay nakakahiya ang Pilipinas sa pangyayaring ito kasi naipalabas sa TV kung ano ang ginawa ng mga pulis.Sino pa mga dayuhan na pupunta sa Pilipinas kung wala silang securidad sa ating bansa.Dapat ang gamiting ay radio communication hindi mga sigaw at dapat mag training ng maigi ang mga pulis..at huwag gagamit ng maso may hostage sa loob..

mark said...

Your right, media, untrained police and unplanned situation made it worst. The media showed what the polices were doing knowing that the hostage taker has a t.v. and radio. (stupid, right?)I know that media only wanted to show what was happening around there but in a hostage taking situation we must be sensitive, right? we must first think before we act, in their stupidity acts, the hostages died. In fact, they can have a good negotiation with the hostage taker but they want ACTION so they tried to forced the hostage taker and that was happened. If they only have a peacefully negotiation, no one will die. "Everything can do peacefully"

mark said...

Sa lahat ng tumututol dito ewan ko nalang sa inyo..nakita nyo naman diba my hostage pa sa loob tapos sinugod ng mga pulis..hays..nakakadismaya..kung ako din yung hostage taker at nakikita kong sinusugod na ko e di no choice kundi isamang mamatay yung mga hostage diba? COMMON SENSE lng kailangan,wala ba yung mga pulis nun?

zebbie said...

to those who dont get what the blogger is saying , may i sum it up in one word?

INCOMPETENCE.

kalachuchi said...

Using the ikaw-kaya-mag-pulis excuse is very lame. We paid these people with taxes from our own pockets and it's only their obligation to risk life and limb for public safety.

It's like for example you went to the doctor to get treated. Instead he only made you feel worse. You complain to him and reacts with "Ikaw kaya mag doctor?" Would you find it acceptable?

Anonymous said...

Dont give all the blame to mendoza, the policemen have to do with this. They provoked mendoza to do those things. "Wala na po sa katinuan ng pagiisip si mendoza sa mga oras na Un" Oo mali cia, pero sana nd ganun ang naging paRaan ng pulisya para resolbahin ang problema. Maling mali talaga, akala mo asa gyera cla, na kung iicpn mo ay 1 tao lng kalaban nila. Kailangan lamang sa panahon na Un ay macnCnang pakKpagUsap sa kanya, na para bagang bata n iUng Aamuhin, take note "wala n cia sa katnuAn".

Anonymous said...

to ABS-CBN and GMA-7 mga sangkaterba kayong inutil... sa lahat humihingi ako ng tawad sa gulong idinulot ng tatay ko, pero lahat po tayo dito talunan... nawala sa katinuan ang tatay ko ng dahil sa mga pangaabuso sa kanyang karapatan.

Matuwid po ang tatay ko na pulis. oo pero di sya perpekto... sya ay naipit sa isang sitwasyong di nya hawak kundi ng mga masnakakataas sa kanya na nagpapaikot ng batas... pilit na ibinaluktot ang mainis nyang pangalan at tuluyang natangal para tuluyang pagtakpan ang tunay na may kasalanan ngunit masmataas sa kanya ang katungkulan... masama ang loob ng tatay ko at di namin inaasahan ang mga huling hakbang na kanyang ginawa. wala sa hinagap na manakit ng kapwa ang tatay ko, pero nawala na sya sa katinuan ng tuluyan dahil na rin sa mga kapalpakan ng awtoridad at LALO NA NG MEDIA NA SYANG PINAKAINUTIL SA LAHAT. ikaw ginoong mike enriquez, naway lalong gumanda ang yong karera sa larangan ng pagbabalita, sana'y dimo sapitin ang pait na pinagdadaanan namin ngayon. sa lahat ng aming mga kababayan, humihingi po kami ng pangunawa at sa lahat ng mga naging biktima, kasama ang tatay ko, ipinasasaDios ko na lang ang inyong mga kaluluwa.

Summer said...

actually mobile blockout and media block out SOP yun. tama ang CNN and BBC were very careful, halos hindi sila nagsasalita sa coverage nila at ang vid lang nila ay bus na aerial view madalas. nawalan ng saysay yung negotiator dahil ang daming nagcocomment. in the 1st place, hindi sana makikitang inimbitahan ng pulis ang kapatid kung walang tv broadcasting nun. kahit sino magagalit, at sa kapatid, kung inosente bakit hindi sumama ng maayos, aminin man natin o hindi, yung paglupasay ng kapatid ay nakadagdag sa galit ng hostage taker.
yung windsheild, konting pukpok at hilain ng kamay na may heavy duty gloves tanggal yun. yang mga ganyang gawa ng windows sa bus and trucks hindi tulad ng sasakyang mamahalin na naka bolt. nakadikit lang yan ng parang "glue" kung baga.
tapos may snipper pa, sana ang unang pinatamaan ng snipper yung TV sa loob kung talagang astigin na snipper yan.
hindi na magkaintindihan ngyon ang chinese community sa sama ng loob.
wala bang public announcement from the highest authority?

angelou said...

@ para sa lahat ng kumontra saken :

kaya lang naman ako nag comment dito dahil 20% ng grade ko 'to! :D

my point is ... walang magagawa yang mga sinabi nyong masasama kasi nangyari na ang nangyari. kayo na din ang nagsabi na sibilyan lang tayo, so wala din tayo maidadagdag . iniaapply nyo mga pamilya nyo sa sitwasyon, sa inyo nalang.. kung kayo nga nandun. tsk! hahaha. masyadong bideal talaga 'to . naiintindihan ko mga gigil na gigil.. :D

huh said...

“When you order an assault, it has to be an assault. There is no such thing as a tentative assault,” he said. “If 10 policemen have to die, they have to die in that assault.”

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=605921&publicationSubCategoryId=63

elvin said...

hindi lang po ito nangyayari sa Pilipinas, even other countries nanood ba kayo ng LOCKED UP sa NATGEO... try ninyo..

Anonymous said...

Epic fail!!! its already night time and all the lights outside are so bright that they can't even see the curtains of the bus anymore, why not turn off all the lights, they wasted whole day taking pictures and chatting with each other. Throwing a barrage of teargas when the police themselves have no gas mask, smoke him to death LOL... The driver who escape and shouting they're all dead ultimate epic and the so called expert police analyst or their chief or whatever shit you call them believes with the driver statement saying judging from the fact he thinks it is true that hostages... The worst of worst is not the hostage taker but those people who are taking pictures even doing a group picture putting up a big smile even students congrats to them they are now famous that they can already die...

KUYA said...

para sayo Angelou,

tama, tapos na ang lahat... wala nang magagawa... ngunit, masama ba ang magpakita ng saloobin sa nangyari? nandito tayo para ibahagi ang sari-sariling reaksyon. masama ba ang magalit? nagbabahagi lang po kami ng saloobin dito... dahil galit kami sa nangyari... at isang paraan upang mabawasan ang hinanakit namin ay-- ilabas ito. kahit na tapos na ang lahat, sa pagpapakita ng reaksyon namin, nababawasan ang bigat sa loob na aming naradama.

Anonymous said...

The truth is the police is only trained to protect the former president from unarmed people rallying for our rights. The second truth is that there are only few good leaders in a position. May it be in the police, army, and government. I don't know who ordered those poor toy soldiers out there.. "TACTICAL COMMAND"

Jerri said...

whoa! for the first time in public static history, 120 posts that are non-spam.

sa totoo lang, kinumpirma ng pangyayaring ito na wala na talaga pag-asa ang Pilipinas. Maski ang sinasabing "mapagkakatiwalaang" media ay di talaga mapagkakatiwalaan.

a live coverage is certainly a NO; there is clearly no justification for airing everything live. yes, they could send their reporters, but never feed the events live so as not to jeopardize the rescue/assault operations.

as regards the police force, their blunders are far too many to just ignore and allow to pass without criticism. there are several simple solutions that could've been employed, but weren't. personally, i will no longer trust them with security matters after such display of blatant incompetence.

istambay sa luoban said...

in addition lang sa earlier comments/suggestion ko. again wala po akong military at police background. pero sana may totoong "sniper" during the crisis. ang "sniper daw" na nakita ko sa tv broadcast ay may m4 carbine na may low magnification scope na walang bipod tapos walang spotter na kasama tapos hindi man lang naka-prone position. sana mas mahaba ang barrel ng rifle nya, at least m-16 sana na may high magnification scope mas ok kung bolt action sniper rifle talaga para mas accurate. sana naka prone position tapos may spotter. isang "totoo" at "well-trained" sniper tandem lang sa harap ng bus malaking difference na siguro. kasi sa harap ng bus walang kurtina makikita na ang silhouette ng taong may m-16. tapos partner-an pa ng thermal sights. kung walang thermal sights pwede namang patayin lahat ng spotlights except dun sa likod ng bus to act as a "backlight", mas madali makikita ang silhouette ng mga tao sa loob. ang haba kaya ng m-16 para di makita. "one shot, one kill". opinion lang naman.

Op said...

@elvin

Oo nanonood ako ng Locked Up Abroad, pero Pilipinas NATIN ang pinag-uusapan dito at apektado tayong lahat. May pakialam ako sa mga nangyayari sa ibang bansa pero mas pinaka-may pakialam ako sa nangyayari sa lupang kinatatayuan ko.

Future ng Pilipinas nating minamahal ang nakasalalay dito kaya tayong mga Pilipino dapat makibahagi sa development nito. Tama lang na may mga porum na katulad nito. Sana nga eh kung freedom of expression talaga ang pinaglalaban ng media, bigyan ang publiko ng air time para ibahagi ang mga opinyon at kumento natin sa pangyayaring umaapekto sa ating lahat. Para rin maipakita natin sa mga tiga-HK na hindi lang sila ang galit, pati tayo ring mga Pilipino kaya wala silang karapatan tawagin tayong lahat na tanga in general.

Sophie said...

@angelou
You make laugh. Your acting of blunted indifference here (apparently because it's only 20% of your grade) shows how narrow minded you are. Just because things are over, doesn't mean it's okay to just forget about it. Discussion generates ideas and sides and honestly, that's what differentiates us from animals. The discussion of a majority of people here, bar those mindless anonymous twits who seems to scream more insults than show rationalization and you, for that matter, just proves how untrained our PNP force is. People with mentalities like you are the reason why we aren't rising above challenges in the first place. You see something, you scoff at it and you reason that "were just civilians". Isn't it sad that the civilians have more of a brain regarding these things than those so-called "trained" police?

And don't you dare reason increasing sentimentality here as flamebait. Your nonchalance in this whole situation just proves how much of a chaotic warmongering fool you are. Let me give you advice for that 20% grade. Don't even try putting your current reasoning in that paper/essay/report or whatever. You obviously missed the whole point of this blog post. If I was your teacher, I'd probably give you an F right from the get go since you're obviously not talking about the content of the blog post. Rather, you're just this little kid who can't seem to write anything constructive so you resort to saying that these things are useless because what's past is in the past. I guess you failed your history/sibika/hekasi class, huh? Cause you don't seem to have any knowledge as to what it's for. Newsflash girlie, it's less memorizing dates and more about LEARNING ABOUT OUR MISTAKES.

keL said...

bakit ganun .. galit na galit ang mga taga-intsik sa mga pinoy ?? nilalahat nila ang sisi .. nilahat ba natin ang sisi sakanila nung namatay at nagkasakit ang mga pilipino dahil sa mga kag@guhang produkto ng ibang intsik ..??

Anonymous said...

Hoy anonymous. Isa ka siguro sa mga tangang pulis dun o kamag-anak mo ung mga tangang un.

 

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